I recognize there is a massive anti incarnation argument (in the US). I agree with many of the points and reasons I’ve heard. That said, murderers, child molesters etcetera are still gonna exist to some degree no matter what. So, without incarnation, what are some options?
You could do what the US does and elect them into office.
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One of the things is not like the others…
jaywalkers, enemys of society #1.
Did you mean incarceration?
Sure
Tell the murderers and child molesters: We’re letting you go with a warning this time. But if you even think about anything reprehensible again, we’ll lock you up with the JAYWALKERS.
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This is the greatest bait I’ve ever seen. Dying laughing at jaywalkers lmao. Teach me your ways king
Not bait, I added that just to bring some levity to a real rough conversation.
anti incarceration
Poverty and proximity are major factors increasing and sustaining crime, and if people don’t commit crimes they don’t become incarcerated prisoners. So better social systems for people who need it and forcing wealthy citizens to co-locate with poor citizens so they have to share the same goods and services instead of allowing a multi class system in everything but name. And for the US obviously outlawing for profit prisons and the prison slavery clause of the 13th amendment. No crime justifies slavery as a punishment. That’ll reduce prison populations by such a large amount that you could easily manage rehabilitation and humane incarceration programs for each individual.
I can absolutely agree with outlawing for profit prisons and abolishing the 13th amendment. Thanks for the contribution!
do you want results or to enact self righteous suffering in the name of punishment
Results ideally
then you really don’t want US style incarceration for like 99.9% of cases
you want therapy, job training and some form of assisted (but restricted) living, kinda like a halfway home
but it needs to be well funded and have strong oversight
all that to say it’ll never happen in the us because that makes it hard to extract profit from the system
Prisons more like European prisons that focuses on rehabilitation not isolation. Not slave labour camps the Americans call jails.
Yeah that seems reasonable. Definitely agree on how fucked up using prisoner labor is.
Not all can be rehabilitated: some just are wired THAT different, & butcher people for fun, because that’s the way they’re wired.
Ignoring that is the making-believing that makes such believers into accessory-to-murder when the not-contained serial-murderer murders yet-another.
There was a story, maybe a few years ago, a woman who wouldn’t accept that an inmate was really destructive-of-life, she befriended him, & got butchered.
Leftist got ate by leopards.
( it isn’t only the right which demonstrates idiocy! )
The problem is that categories exist, & our whole system is pretending that it’s a spectrum, instead of distinct-categories, with spectrums … sorta-overlapping … each category.
Some absolutely need to be permanently segregated from communities.
& the idiocy of putting people into a criminality-manufacturing-pressure-cooker while gaslighting about that somehow being “corrections”, needs to be terminated.
Correct the problem-motivation/wrong-mental-function, aversion-therapy may well be part of that, but don’t increase the criminality in them, & do offer them humanness-improvement opportunity & asssitance.
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A focus on rehabilitation doesn’t mean releasing dangerous predators into society. Merely that rehabilitation is the focus, rather than punishment or profit.
Correct. Some simply require a permanent albeit humane separation from civil society. Anders Breivik is an example of this.
Absolutely my take. People who are harmful to society need to be removed from society for the good of society. These people should be treated humanely, and we need to accept that a great many of them behave the way they were taught. What we need to do while society is being protected from them is teach them how to behave in society. For those that accept that their behavior needs to change and learn new behavior, great. Release them on parole, monitor and assist them to make sure the new behavior is being maintained and let them continue with their lives. For those who don’t or won’t learn to behave in society, keep them isolated from society in a humane environment with people there to make sure the recalcitrant and incorrigible aren’t harming themselves and each other, and move on.
And all that leads to the question of what is harmful to society…
Death camps.
jaywalkers
well jaywalking is automotive industry propaganda, so I wouldn’t do shit about it. I’m not even kidding. cars were killing people, and that didn’t look good for the new auto industry, so they did the usual US politics thing and did a PR campaign to blame the victims for cars running them over. then they paid politicians to pass legislation they drafted that criminalized walking anywhere where the auto industry thought they shouldn’t. if I had a choice, I would take most of the money from the inflated US defense budget, increase public transportation as much as possible and useful, and then outlaw personal vehicles in cities. the roads would be torn torn up and left as single lanes for emergency vehicles and public transportation. the rest of what used to be roads would be turned into green spaces for people to walk and socialize, and do some community gardening.
what was left from the defense budget would more than pay for universal healthcare. everyone would be happier, healthier, and less people would die from vehicle accidents or respiratory cancers.
TLDR: jaywalking is capitalist nonsense.
Um, I think the inclusion of jaywalkers in the title was a joke.
They got my vote in the process
…wow… thank you for the contribution.
how would you deal with murderers, rapists, child predators
okay… interesting question…
and jaywalkers
Wat? 🧐
If I were arrested for jaywalking, I would definitely request the death penalty.
It’s a shame they’d probably reject it.
Just a silly addition to add some levity to a very serious topic/question.
People have no sense of humor. I’m still surprised that no “smart aleck” has corrected you on the “encarnation” thing.
Why the downvotes? It is a perfectly reasonable topic to discuss, and an interesting one at that.
I’d be willing to bet part of it is the fact when I comment or post in shitpost/memes I troll. So lots of people have tagged me with “bad faith” “troll”, etcetera. When I post/comment here and in serious communities I speak genuinely. My over a dozen posts and 1500+ comments here and in serious communities are proof of that. However, that doesn’t dissuade them from thinking I can’t switch to serious. Idk personally if I couldn’t code switch well I literally wouldn’t have survived my childhood. So its just kind of natural for me to speak differently in different environments. Which is how I view communities here. I think the same type of folks will downvote it because I included jaywalking to keep it somewhat light.
Yeah that’s not complicated to understand… Some people take their lives on internet forums far to seriously 🤣…
Yeah, I’m currently trying to get one to stop interacting with me.
you can block people
Sounds about right, good luck haha!
Jaywalkers LOL
I think the addition is contributing to downvotes. But, I just figured some levity in a ultra rough topic is nice.
