I recognize there is a massive anti incarnation argument (in the US). I agree with many of the points and reasons I’ve heard. That said, murderers, child molesters etcetera are still gonna exist to some degree no matter what. So, without incarnation, what are some options?

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    Not all can be rehabilitated: some just are wired THAT different, & butcher people for fun, because that’s the way they’re wired.

    Ignoring that is the making-believing that makes such believers into accessory-to-murder when the not-contained serial-murderer murders yet-another.

    There was a story, maybe a few years ago, a woman who wouldn’t accept that an inmate was really destructive-of-life, she befriended him, & got butchered.

    Leftist got ate by leopards.

    ( it isn’t only the right which demonstrates idiocy! )

    The problem is that categories exist, & our whole system is pretending that it’s a spectrum, instead of distinct-categories, with spectrums … sorta-overlapping … each category.

    Some absolutely need to be permanently segregated from communities.

    & the idiocy of putting people into a criminality-manufacturing-pressure-cooker while gaslighting about that somehow being “corrections”, needs to be terminated.

    Correct the problem-motivation/wrong-mental-function, aversion-therapy may well be part of that, but don’t increase the criminality in them, & do offer them humanness-improvement opportunity & asssitance.

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      A focus on rehabilitation doesn’t mean releasing dangerous predators into society. Merely that rehabilitation is the focus, rather than punishment or profit.

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        Correct. Some simply require a permanent albeit humane separation from civil society. Anders Breivik is an example of this.

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          Absolutely my take. People who are harmful to society need to be removed from society for the good of society. These people should be treated humanely, and we need to accept that a great many of them behave the way they were taught. What we need to do while society is being protected from them is teach them how to behave in society. For those that accept that their behavior needs to change and learn new behavior, great. Release them on parole, monitor and assist them to make sure the new behavior is being maintained and let them continue with their lives. For those who don’t or won’t learn to behave in society, keep them isolated from society in a humane environment with people there to make sure the recalcitrant and incorrigible aren’t harming themselves and each other, and move on.

          And all that leads to the question of what is harmful to society…