Conveniently, that bus stop also punishes anyone else who makes the mistake of waiting for a bus there.
Ugh, I just want a bench.
The bus also only arrives once every hour (inconsistently)
woah now, are we talking about central manhattan or something?
Best we can do is a bus that takes you downtown a couple times in the morning and gets you back home in the afternoon. Because as we all know people only need buses to get to and from work, and no one works non-standard times.That’s why I said inconsistently, the midday busses might not show up or they might who knows, of course late night you can forget about it
At this point they’re getting rid of the shelters entirely. I’d settle for not having to wait for a bus while standing in the rain
But a homeless person might suffer a little bit less if they aren’t wet
Damn you right. What if we just rip up the sidewalk and replace it with razor wire?
Hostile architecture. When you only want to fight the symptoms, not the cause.
My county paid money to put up signs at intersections specifically telling people not to give money to the homeless
There’s this intersection in Milwaukee where there’s a painting of a homeless looking immigrant holding a cardboard sign that says don’t give money to homeless people.
My city has a few of those, but specifically in places where the structure of the intersection has an island somehwre right in the middle of traffic, and people were being hit by cars frequently. Go pan handle somewhwre you’re not likely to be run over.
But the disdain extends to the elderly and pregnant women when it comes to our bus stops. They don’t have seats at all anymore. They even ripped out the seats that used to exist.
go panhandle somewhere you aren’t likely to get run over
Again, fighting the symptoms and not the cause. Cause, god forbid, we have pedestrian friendly infrastructure.
Pedestrians getting hit by cars is not the fault of the pedestrian. It is the result of inconsiderate drivers not paying attention with their two ton death machines and infrastructure designed to cater to drivers at the expense of being hostile to pedestrians
We’re not talking about pedestrians on planned intersections. We’re talking about not encouraging people to run onto an active highway. It’s rather hard to design a system for pedestrian safety and for drivers to avoid accidents when people break all the rules.
I feel like you lost track of the discussion
It was about pan handlers in an intersection. A highway makes no sense for pan handling because no one is going to stop on a highway to give money
Can you also make the overpass racist?
purposefully designs the overpass to pass over a black community and evicts them all
*This is actuslly how roads were built in cities the past century. The project “segregation by design” has extremely good archiving of this
I think they were referring to Robery Moses, who purposefully designed overpasses too low for buses so buses from black neighborhoods couldn’t go to Jones Beach anymore.
The amount of black/brown neighborhoods in Milwaukee with random infrastructure is absurd. Like why is there an entrance to the highway on this side street?
purposefully designs the overpass to pass over a black community and evicts them all
Adds black history mural along the same overpass
If we got rid of private property rights it would be a lot easier to build infrastructure.
Just sayin’
But you don’t understand how big the US is! We can fit two Chinas in Texas! And we can put five Texases in Texas! Omg it’s so huuuuge you guys, public transportation would just not work here, like, ever!!
- some bootlicker, probably
And as if the size isn’t enough, america doesn’t have a single city with more than 2k people in it! Everyone lives uniformly distributed throughout the country which makes public transport completely impossible.
Hey wait why are you looking at a map of the nordic countries? Stop that, they’re completely different!
Ha, I get it! This is funny because there are no American planners.
American planner here. We don’t actually get to plan shit. We end up being the middlemen between developers and Council. We explain all the rules we didn’t get to make, the developers explain to council how hlthey don’t even want to follow those rules, then Council overrules us and gives the devs whatever they want.
No shortage of American planners. They just work in hedge funds and board rooms
Lmao no imagine being the guy who designed that
“You want me to draw what ?”
“Torture bus stop. Make spikes that stick into their butts. But, uh… make it look 🌠Geometric🌠, so we can pass it off as an innocent post-modernist design quirk.”
What a great bus stop, it looks so snazzy and appropriate. Can you make it hurt people
I doubt even the chinese can build a train line from scratch in 3h
The train should move the people that distance in 3h, not be planned in 3h
Whoosh
That’s what she (the train) said
You’re telling me a shrimp fried this rice?
What’s it with these railway based China propaganda posts?
Yes the US sucks.
Yes you can get a lot done in a totalitarian system.
But: China also sucks.
Other democratic countries all manage to have perfectly fine rail systems, it’s not solely the domain of totalitarian governments- just functioning governments.
Much like healthcare, it’s literally just the US government that fucks it up.
For those who want to go the “well Europe/Japan/Korea/China/etc had the advantage of being bombed flat in various wars which made rebuilding for rail easier”, we STILL have plenty of unused, unmaintained rail in the US. We could do this. Hell, you wanna solve unemployment numbers going up? Public works to rehab the right-of-ways that the big companies aren’t using, rehab the rails they ARE using, and suddenly we can AT LEAST enable 100mph trains across the country in less than a decade, and probably bring back passenger rail if we wanted to invest in more rolling stock.
Of course, this means we’d have to lift the steel tariff. And rehab steel mills. And also nationalize good portions of the railway (I’d suggest the entire rail network, and lease usage to the freight companies).
A really sad fact is that rail lines used to connect even the most rural of communities. Many cities removed rail lines to put in roadways.
You can still find rails to a lot of farms in Idaho because that’s how produce used to be shipped.
The big rail companies are a major reason rail sucks in the US. They were given the land for their lines nearly for free with the promise they’d provide public transit. Well, they stopped that. So the US created Amtrak to relieve them of the obligation of public transit with the promise that Amtrak trains would get priority. Well they constantly break that law which makes Amtrak suck with constant delays.
Heck, these companies are at least supposed to be in charge of maintaining the lines, and they don’t do that either. The US has a crazy number of derailments and a big reason for some of them is that the tracks receive little maintenance.
These are still multi billion dollar companies and they do what all giant companies do and nickel/dime everything.
It’s actually worse than that- amtrak was a reagan thing, which was meant to intentionally fail so they could give the passenger rail lines to big freight companies as well.
It was literally meant to fail so they could privatize it, but Amtrak pulled off a miracle. Amtrak is actually really, really good in places they can own their own rail- it’s why they’re really not allowed to build or own their own rail anymore.
Yes
Then why not use those democracies as examples but post basically the same post within 2 hours about china good?
I tell you why: Propaganda
No, because it makes no difference here.
If I as a European come around and tell Americans how public transport, healthcare, and city planning are just better here, I get to hear the same crap about “propaganda”.
That, or I hear the all too often repeated “BuT thINgs aRe JuSt diFfeRENt HerE!”
Yeah but China’s authoritarian system is how they went from no high speed rail to the most high speed rail in the world in just 25 years. It took Japan 70 years to get where they are now and many European nations more than a hundred.
Maybe also having the largest population in the world had something to do with it. They have way more people to do the work. They also have way more money than Japan to do the work.
And that’s not even considering how they have a lot more land to work with. Easier to put high speed rail through some farmland than to redevelop several urban blocks to create rail infrastructure.
They also have a very good motivation to build the infrastructure, this is a general phenomenon i tend to refer to as the “big city effect”.
When you have that many people and that much population density it becomes incredibly difficult for governments to sit on their hands, because it’s obvious to everyone that new infrastructure is needed.Which makes the US look so much worse. By all means the big cities in america should be decent places to live purely by dint of population, but the government has spent decades trying as hard as it can to make things as shitty as possible.
Australia is roughly what i’d expect america to look like without an active conspiracy to make it shitty: Largely empty, the cities are far apart and very suburban, but the cities have local downtowns spread throughout and it’s all connected with trains or at least buses.
Well, the perk of being an authoritarian regime is that you don’t really have to put the high speed rail on farmland. Urban blocks are fine too if it’s a better path.
Don’t know if you read my comment very well. Regardless of the state’s authority it’s still way easier to develop land that’s not densely populated versus that which is.
Japan is significantly more densely populated
Then let’s have examples from those EU countries, instead of an authoritarian state.
I see all these posts, and can’t help but think of the thousands of tankies constantly spamming exhausting propaganda on lemmy. There are so many great examples from democratic countries, so I’m suspicious if someone picks China.
I live in the EU, and currently standing in a bus stop. I’m all for public transport, fuck cars. But fuck China, too.
There’s a stark difference between Chinese propaganda and information about positive things in China.
You can post about good aspects of the Chinese society without mentioning the government, let alone glorifying it. Same goes for the USA. If I post that I like American national parks, does that constitute American propaganda? Are we only allowed to hate on those two countries?
Just because the Chinese model is incompatible with the European or American ones, doesn’t mean there’s nothing we can learn from it.
It sounds like a great train system they have in China. Too bad you’ll be barred from buying tickets if you cross too many pedestrian red lights. This doesn’t make the US better, it just shows it’s not black and white.
