Seems they can get the necessary 2/3 of the 199 seats to start righting the changes done by Orban
Fucking finally.
Eat shit, fascists.
To be clear, Magyar is also a fascist but a bit less mask-off about his corruption. It’s a (slight) improvement but not some progressive victory it’s touted to be.
If he tells Putler to pound sand, take the W.
perfect is the enemy of the good.
He’s less good more slightly better, his social policies seem to be practically identical and his economic policies really only diverge in terms of the EU. Publically he speaks of anti corruption but considering he was involved in a scandal I’m not sure how much he’ll do (he hasn’t promised anything concrete yet). So it would be more accurate to say perfect is the enemy of marginally better.
How so? Hes aligned with the EU, aligned with Ukraine, and wants Russia to kick rocks. Hes also talked about unfucking hungary’s courts, media consolidation and electrion rules that the outgoing facist rigged.
He’s also extremely nationalist, anti-immigration, and his attitude to LGBT is silence (which is only marginally better than hatred)
Hes aligned with the EU
EU is a trading bloc and fascists love money. More extreme ones hate others more than they love money, but it’s not universal.
aligned with Ukraine, and wants Russia to kick rocks
There’s nothing stopping fascists from supporting Ukraine, there are plenty of nazis there too. It’s not as bad as russian propaganda makes it out to be but it is a reason why some on the right/far-right support it.
Hes also talked about unfucking hungary’s courts, media consolidation and electrion rules that the outgoing facist rigged.
This would be good overall. Whether he follows through with it or just re-fucks the institutions in his favor remains to be seen
Overall I’d say he’s like a Hungarian Meloni - a fascist (or close to one) willing to cooperate with liberals to make money together.
He’s against continuing Hungary’s further path to a dictatorship without due process or real elections, which is the best Hungary can get at the moment.
He’s also extremely nationalist, anti-immigration, and his attitude to LGBT is silence (which is only marginally better than hatred)
Can we stop the idpol a bit? He is also campaigning on wealth taxes, fighting back against oligarchs and corporations, anti-corruption, strong social safety nets paid by reclaimed wealth and so on.
What do you expect a politician to be if not nationalistic? He was running for national office. If anything, he supports international collaboration with pro-EU forces in the V4. He is not even staunchly anti-immigration, the whole thing with that was just pointing out hipocrisy in the government. Same with LGBT rights, in an ideal society it should just be normal and nobody should care, especially not the government.
he did say he liked orban’s immigration policies, when an interviewer asked for 3 things magyar likes about orban. (when they asked orban the same, he couldn’t say anything)
Can we stop the idpol a bit?
No. Combining pseudo-socialist economic policies with conservative social policies is literally national-socialism which you might know by some other names
He is also campaigning on wealth taxes, fighting back against oligarchs and corporations, anti-corruption, strong social safety nets paid by reclaimed wealth and so on.
I checked the full election platform and there’s some OK stuff in there (wealth tax, increased pensions, social housing, women’s rights as workers). The rest is liberal policies (e.g. nationalizing bankrupcy and debt foreclosure agencies) and tax cuts for lower and middle class. It is for sure better than Orban but overall it’s not very progressive
What do you expect a politician to be if not nationalistic?
Uhhh I want my politicians to support the international working class. I expect them to not be overtly nationalist at a minimum. Internationalism is a thing.
He is not even staunchly anti-immigration
He said he liked Orban’s draconian immigration policies and he cracked jokes (or insane slander, hard to tell) at immigrant’s expense
Same with LGBT rights, in an ideal society it should just be normal and nobody should care, especially not the government.
Definitely not when the government discriminated and abused LGBT people for decades, propagandized society and stoked hatred against them. It needs to be dealt with and spoken about. We still live in a patriarchy and its victims need protection and support.
No. Combining pseudo-socialist economic policies with conservative social policies is literally national-socialism which you might know by some other names
Without getting into the rest of it, that is not the case whatsoever. The Nazis weren’t even pseudo-socialist, they were definitely capitalist. There was still a capitalist class profiting off of the slavery and war, but only so long as they remained loyal to the party.
The nazis absolutely did use social-populist rhetoric and promises on their way to power, and even did implement some nominally “socialist” policies like nationalization of certain war-related industries, public works, price controls, and a large degree of planning. It was also combined with union busting, privatization of other industries, huge deficit spending with intent to reclaim it with war plunder, and other obviously capitalist/imperialist moves, so it wasn’t real economic socialism of course. That said, Magyar’s platform is definitely nowhere near economic socialism either, it’s welfare capitalism at best.
Can we stop the idpol a bit?
As a trans person? No, we can’t. Fuck you
Excuse me, what the fuck? No, Magyar is no fascist unless you’re one of these guys who just make a joke out of this word.
He’s a Christian democrat, not alt-right. Think CDU, not AFD.
Sorry, but not really, the Christian Democrats were in the govt coalition.
He ran on wealth taxes and going after the rich as well as corporations. He’s kind of a centrist populist, very much not like the CDU.
Noted, thank you for clarification
very much not like the CDU.
Thank god
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You’re drifting away, son. Pay attention, we’re talking about modern day Hungary.
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“Reductio ad Hitlerum”
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He just kicked the fascist out, try and keep up.
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Not every country’s politics is like the US. Please read up on Hungary in the past 2 years and you might get less cynical.
There is no “ratchet” in Hungary. It literally could not get worse save for going full-on Belarus. And the people, the party and even the electorate behind Magyar are people who mostly haven’t been in politics yet. The “ratchet” liberal party has been kicked out of politics this election along with the government. Explicitly because they were the do-nothing party.
Tisza can’t afford to be that.
It must be so exhausting being a tankie, always coming up with reasons why nothing is ever a good thing, no matter how severely they need to twist their logic, and smugly blaming it all on the liberals whom they call fascists while glossing over the actual fascists…
Couldn’t be me…
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Is he more or less fascist than Orban 16 years ago?
Hard to say honestly. It feels about the same, Orban also started out as a pro-democracy and even somewhat liberal politician.
The party around him seems very different.
he’s a wife beater!
downvoters can only accept a binary state of opinion …
yes, his ex-wife is the ex judicial minister and is an orbanite.
but this does not necessarily make the allegations less credible.
also i can be glad that Orban is gone, but at the same time still be critical of his successor Magyar, this is not incompatible…
Just reading the title gave me a huge smile.
I thought they rigged everything so this wouldn’t be remotely possible. It gives me some hope.
I CAN’T BELIEVE IT!!
AFTER J.D. VANCE TRAVELLED ALL THE WAY OVER TO CONVINCE EVERYONE TO VOTE FOR HIM!!??
Nobody expected that to backfire. What a crazy world we live in.
Pope Francis should have warned him.
He did and then jdvance killed him and fucked his couch.
Vance: Demolishing Papacies, Presidencies and Pleather
This is a pretty big deal for Europe. Finally some good news!
Because he finds thanking him so important; I want to thank vice president jdvance for his visit to Hungary to help make sure the opposition would win.
Lol, lmao even
Get fucked!
No matter how you look at it. It’s a clear improvement for Europe.
Next we will see of him is a picture with his friend Putin, financed with money stolen from the Hungarian people.
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centre-right challenger Peter Magyar
Would that make his policy positions about on-par with the Democratic leadership in the USA?
Not really. The equivalent of Dem leadership in Hungary has been the DK, which was extremely successful in the past 16 years of destroying any hope of a third option.
Tisza is the “third party” way done right. His policy positions include both nationalistic stuff like stronger representation of the Hungarian diaspora and socialistic stuff like wealth taxes.
He just beat Hungarian Hillary out of parliament completely.
I don’t know this case specifically, but usually USA Democrats are similar to Europe Right-far right, not center-right. Republicans are what we could say mad-right to most Europeans.
As bad as the Democratic leadership can be sometimes, I don’t see them as bad as Le Pen or the AfD, which I’d both consider far-right. I also don’t see the USA Democrats being cozy with Putin. Those positions would be where the USA Republicans are, and hence they are far-right.
Maybe using a one-dimensional scale to identify policy isn’t all that adequate?
I don’t disagree. I’d say a majority of policy positions should generally be the go-to definition. What, in your opinion, are all the policy positions of the Democratic leadership that would represent the majority of their policies to arrive at calling them far-right?
I’m not the person who made the original claim
Disingenuous nonsense.
I used to know a guy in the UK Conservative Party (nice guy actually) and he told me that there was an expectation of them to maintain good relations with the US Republican Party, even though they had far more in common with the Democrats.
