How so? Hes aligned with the EU, aligned with Ukraine, and wants Russia to kick rocks. Hes also talked about unfucking hungary’s courts, media consolidation and electrion rules that the outgoing facist rigged.
He’s also extremely nationalist, anti-immigration, and his attitude to LGBT is silence (which is only marginally better than hatred)
Hes aligned with the EU
EU is a trading bloc and fascists love money. More extreme ones hate others more than they love money, but it’s not universal.
aligned with Ukraine, and wants Russia to kick rocks
There’s nothing stopping fascists from supporting Ukraine, there are plenty of nazis there too. It’s not as bad as russian propaganda makes it out to be but it is a reason why some on the right/far-right support it.
Hes also talked about unfucking hungary’s courts, media consolidation and electrion rules that the outgoing facist rigged.
This would be good overall. Whether he follows through with it or just re-fucks the institutions in his favor remains to be seen
Overall I’d say he’s like a Hungarian Meloni - a fascist (or close to one) willing to cooperate with liberals to make money together.
He’s against continuing Hungary’s further path to a dictatorship without due process or real elections, which is the best Hungary can get at the moment.
He’s also extremely nationalist, anti-immigration, and his attitude to LGBT is silence (which is only marginally better than hatred)
Can we stop the idpol a bit? He is also campaigning on wealth taxes, fighting back against oligarchs and corporations, anti-corruption, strong social safety nets paid by reclaimed wealth and so on.
What do you expect a politician to be if not nationalistic? He was running for national office. If anything, he supports international collaboration with pro-EU forces in the V4. He is not even staunchly anti-immigration, the whole thing with that was just pointing out hipocrisy in the government. Same with LGBT rights, in an ideal society it should just be normal and nobody should care, especially not the government.
he did say he liked orban’s immigration policies, when an interviewer asked for 3 things magyar likes about orban. (when they asked orban the same, he couldn’t say anything)
No. Combining pseudo-socialist economic policies with conservative social policies is literally national-socialism which you might know by some other names
He is also campaigning on wealth taxes, fighting back against oligarchs and corporations, anti-corruption, strong social safety nets paid by reclaimed wealth and so on.
I checked the full election platform and there’s some OK stuff in there (wealth tax, increased pensions, social housing, women’s rights as workers). The rest is liberal policies (e.g. nationalizing bankrupcy and debt foreclosure agencies) and tax cuts for lower and middle class. It is for sure better than Orban but overall it’s not very progressive
What do you expect a politician to be if not nationalistic?
Uhhh I want my politicians to support the international working class. I expect them to not be overtly nationalist at a minimum. Internationalism is a thing.
Same with LGBT rights, in an ideal society it should just be normal and nobody should care, especially not the government.
Definitely not when the government discriminated and abused LGBT people for decades, propagandized society and stoked hatred against them. It needs to be dealt with and spoken about. We still live in a patriarchy and its victims need protection and support.
No. Combining pseudo-socialist economic policies with conservative social policies is literally national-socialism which you might know by some other names
Without getting into the rest of it, that is not the case whatsoever. The Nazis weren’t even pseudo-socialist, they were definitely capitalist. There was still a capitalist class profiting off of the slavery and war, but only so long as they remained loyal to the party.
The nazis absolutely did use social-populist rhetoric and promises on their way to power, and even did implement some nominally “socialist” policies like nationalization of certain war-related industries, public works, price controls, and a large degree of planning. It was also combined with union busting, privatization of other industries, huge deficit spending with intent to reclaim it with war plunder, and other obviously capitalist/imperialist moves, so it wasn’t real economic socialism of course. That said, Magyar’s platform is definitely nowhere near economic socialism either, it’s welfare capitalism at best.
How so? Hes aligned with the EU, aligned with Ukraine, and wants Russia to kick rocks. Hes also talked about unfucking hungary’s courts, media consolidation and electrion rules that the outgoing facist rigged.
He’s also extremely nationalist, anti-immigration, and his attitude to LGBT is silence (which is only marginally better than hatred)
EU is a trading bloc and fascists love money. More extreme ones hate others more than they love money, but it’s not universal.
There’s nothing stopping fascists from supporting Ukraine, there are plenty of nazis there too. It’s not as bad as russian propaganda makes it out to be but it is a reason why some on the right/far-right support it.
This would be good overall. Whether he follows through with it or just re-fucks the institutions in his favor remains to be seen
Overall I’d say he’s like a Hungarian Meloni - a fascist (or close to one) willing to cooperate with liberals to make money together.
He’s against continuing Hungary’s further path to a dictatorship without due process or real elections, which is the best Hungary can get at the moment.
Can we stop the idpol a bit? He is also campaigning on wealth taxes, fighting back against oligarchs and corporations, anti-corruption, strong social safety nets paid by reclaimed wealth and so on.
What do you expect a politician to be if not nationalistic? He was running for national office. If anything, he supports international collaboration with pro-EU forces in the V4. He is not even staunchly anti-immigration, the whole thing with that was just pointing out hipocrisy in the government. Same with LGBT rights, in an ideal society it should just be normal and nobody should care, especially not the government.
he did say he liked orban’s immigration policies, when an interviewer asked for 3 things magyar likes about orban. (when they asked orban the same, he couldn’t say anything)
No. Combining pseudo-socialist economic policies with conservative social policies is literally national-socialism which you might know by some other names
I checked the full election platform and there’s some OK stuff in there (wealth tax, increased pensions, social housing, women’s rights as workers). The rest is liberal policies (e.g. nationalizing bankrupcy and debt foreclosure agencies) and tax cuts for lower and middle class. It is for sure better than Orban but overall it’s not very progressive
Uhhh I want my politicians to support the international working class. I expect them to not be overtly nationalist at a minimum. Internationalism is a thing.
He said he liked Orban’s draconian immigration policies and he cracked jokes (or insane slander, hard to tell) at immigrant’s expense
Definitely not when the government discriminated and abused LGBT people for decades, propagandized society and stoked hatred against them. It needs to be dealt with and spoken about. We still live in a patriarchy and its victims need protection and support.
Without getting into the rest of it, that is not the case whatsoever. The Nazis weren’t even pseudo-socialist, they were definitely capitalist. There was still a capitalist class profiting off of the slavery and war, but only so long as they remained loyal to the party.
The nazis absolutely did use social-populist rhetoric and promises on their way to power, and even did implement some nominally “socialist” policies like nationalization of certain war-related industries, public works, price controls, and a large degree of planning. It was also combined with union busting, privatization of other industries, huge deficit spending with intent to reclaim it with war plunder, and other obviously capitalist/imperialist moves, so it wasn’t real economic socialism of course. That said, Magyar’s platform is definitely nowhere near economic socialism either, it’s welfare capitalism at best.
As a trans person? No, we can’t. Fuck you