Gastro pubs are the definition of “doing too much” and people only visit for the novelty, so you see them pop up and then shut down within a year or two. Kinda like electronics for rich people
Food culture only exists because people aren’t hungry.
No chef or restaurant can beat the satisfaction of eating whatever you have when you’re truly hungry.
Personally I don’t care for “Mexican pizza”. I mean I like the flavors, but together I just don’t.
One day I started a job at a warehouse as a picker, walked like 15 miles that day pushing a cart around climbing up and down shelves, I was exhausted. Stopped by my GFs house, she asked if I was hungry, I was but all she had was a frozen Mexican pizza. It was at the time, the greatest food I have ever tasted.
True. If people were extremely hungry though, especially constantly, you get food religion
Respectfully, wtf is “food culture”? Is the fascination with taking food pics for Insta and going to popular restaurants you see on TikTok that have great decor and selfie backgrounds? I think it’s ridiculously performative and for silly people.
If you meant “what are your hot takes about food?”, then idk, I think I have pretty lukewarm ones, lol (“Chinese > Italian > Indian” for popular cuisines around the world, for instance).
Food culture is the way people act and think about food, the way it should be prepared and served, as well as enjoyed.
If we are talking about cuisine, then mine is that intensely spicy food (e.g. Indian, Korean, Laos, etc.) is heavily overrated.
I prefer a taste bouquet of a carefully crafted meal. Hotness should be a nice touch, not a dominant agony. Food should not require a built tolerance to it’s ingredients in order to be enjoyed.
My british partner has shown me, british food isnt all disgusting, but defenetly has its fair share of disgusting dishes (atlesst to my taste). Fish head soup for example
Tradition and authenticity is bullshit.
Food from good ingredients prepared well matters more than if the cheese was stared at for two hours by the sheepwife of the mayor of Scrumthrorpeshireffield.
For example: Wine tasters were clear that French wine just tasted better than Californian wine. They were extremely convinced. Then they tried a blind test and hoo boy did everyone get pissed when they couldn’t tell the French wine was better without knowing it was French first. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)
Tradition and authenticity are good and important if your goal is to experience the culture.
If your goal is to just eat good food, then they’re not important at all.
For example, if you go to Italy and want to really experience Italian food culture, then you should be looking for tradition and authenticity. But if you go to Italy and you just want some good, tasty food … then you don’t need to worry so much about that.
if your goal is to experience the culture
I think people also get touchy on what is “authentic”. Italian cuisine in Italy changed in a similar manner to Italian-American cuisine in the USA. So, you can have “authentic” Italian-American cuisine that comes from Italian roots, but Italians from Italy don’t want that cuisine to be seen as authentic.
but then again culture is not comprised only of traditional ways of preparing food but also how it evolved to where we are
True. Culture, history, etc as an experience is valid.
It is where people pretend it is important to quality and taste, I call bullshit.
As for the experience… If the old bearded Italian man who served you traditional cheesemelt pig in wooden clogs while singing Por Trancone Parditto were to, say, replace the cheese with Swedish Gulost and not tell you… You would have the same experience.
Not saying it’d be the same, but that the food taste and quality are entirely separate from the authenticity.
Thinking of for recipes, authenticity matters if you’re wanting that specific thing the way you’ve always (more or less) had it. Otherwise, go wild.
I’m always reminded of the time a chef my mother was dating tried to impress me by cooking pierogi (my favorite non-seafood food). He tried to make it fancy with toppings and it was so unsatisfying. Just give me my fried onions and sour cream.
Professional wine tasting seems like a scam anyway. Somehow, professional wine tasters are unable to tell red from white wine in blind tastings that hide the visual information.
When served correctly, you can easily tell them apart by temperature.
For example: Wine
I get what you’re saying, and it’s true, but “wine” is a horrible choice…
It can take five years for a vine to produce wine grapes. And even after they’re harvested, its a long process where lots can go wrong.
It wasn’t that people really thought no one could make better wine than France, it’s that no one else was consistently doing it yet. Everyone knew if Cali vineyards kept at it, they’d eventually level the playing field.
Most of the “outcry” about the result, was in France and made by the insanely wealthy people who owned the French vineyards
Not quite. French wine was diverse, with different regions producing the type of wine they did best.
California came along with marketing and convinced everyone wine should all be a heavy oaky drink that overpowers your food. They turned wine into McDonalds where it all tastes the same. Pretty sure Cali vineyards are owned by insanely wealthy people. Wine is just marketing now, people don’t want diversity, the want a big mac in every bottle.
For example: Wine tasters were clear that French wine just tasted better than Californian wine. They were extremely convinced. Then they tried a blind test and hoo boy did everyone get pissed when they couldn’t tell the French wine was better without knowing it was French first. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)
Two Buck Chuck (an inexpensive blend of wines sold by Trader Joe’s) also has scored well among California wines. So it’s not like expensive California wines are obliterating more-pedestrian counterparts, either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Shaw_wine
Charles Shaw is an American brand of bargain-priced wine.[1] Largely made from California grapes, Charles Shaw wines include Cabernet Sauvignon, White Zinfandel, Merlot, Chardonnay, Sauvignon Blanc, Shiraz, Valdiguié in the style of Beaujolais nouveau, and limited quantities of Pinot Grigio.
The cost of the wine is about 30 to 40 percent of the price, with the bottle, cork and distribution the larger part.
Charles Shaw wines were introduced at Trader Joe’s grocery stores in California in 2002 at a price of USD$1.99 per bottle, earning the wines the nickname “Two Buck Chuck”, and eventually sold 800 million bottles between 2002 and 2013.[2]
At the 28th Annual International Eastern Wine Competition, Shaw’s 2002 Shiraz received the double gold medal, beating approximately 2,300 other wines in the competition.[13]
I’d add that the same sort of thing goes for “audiophile” gear. Things should be blind-tested. It’s very easy to have a perceptually different experience when you know what it is that you’re using.
I remember a point where Joshua Bell was busking in the New York subway.
https://www.classicfm.com/artists/joshua-bell/violin-busking-washington-subway/
He’s one of the finest talents in the classical music world, and in 2007 violinist Joshua Bell went busking as an experiment. Would the public realise just what was happening, alongside their daily bustle?
Music director of the Academy of St Martin in the Fields, worldwide star soloist, and former child prodigy. His instrument is a Stradivarius from 1713 and his hair is an icon of classical music in itself…
Joshua Bell is one of the world’s great virtuosos, and one of the biggest names in classical music.
And in 2007 he did some anonymous busking, as a little social experiment to see what might happen.
Over a period of 43 minutes, the violinist performed six classical pieces, two from Bach pieces, one Massenet, and one each from Schubert and Ponce.
Out of 1,097 people that passed by Bell, 27 gave money, and only seven actually stopped and listened for any length of time.
In total, Bell made $52.17 (£42.18). And this includes a $20 note from someone who recognised him.
I went to a blind dinner recently (You eat in a completely dark room, and are served by blind people).
After each course, the guests had to guess what they were eating, and what sort of wine was served.
Literally no one was even able to tell the difference between white wine and rosé.
Food culture sucks. Gourmets, foodies, Michelin star chasers etc, all suck.
All my favorite places were low-key mom and pop indie operations where the focus was on the food. Not the decor, the presentation, or the pretentiousness.
I also will never understand the total obsession people have with super expensive dinners. I hate them and they are a huge waste of money and the food is usually mediocre. Like expensive wine, it has nothing to do with the product’s quality or taste, and everything to do with just bragging about how rich you are by blowing boat loads of cash on an hour or two of pure vanity.
Look, sniff, and only then taste if you didn’t detect anything. Do it with totally fresh stuff too so you learn what That’s supposed to be like.
That’s why your mom had “the nose”. Learn to use your senses.
It’s no longer a sandwich if you make a sandwich unable to be bitten into without dislocating your jaw.
Sandwiches for snakes
And it’s not pizza if it requires a fork.
What pizza-like dish are you eating that requires a fork?
Deep dish. And I’m not.
Deep dish is just round lasagna.
Damn man. I live in the Chicago area and I’ve never needed a fork for deep dish. Just pick it up like a normal slice and eat.
Average American inland “seafood” is garbage. You have access to the Atlantic Ocean, Pacific Ocean, Florida Keys, Gulf of Mexico, Great Lakes, and hundreds of thousands of lakes and rivers, yet the top fish dish 100+ miles from a shore is usually catfish fresh out of a polluted sewage overflow ditch or farmed shrimp/crawfish fed on subsidized cornmeal.
I saw a great sign at a seafood market once that read “If it smells like fish, it’s not fresh fish”. I can personally guarantee you that you cannot find good quality, fresh seafood in the USA unless you live within travel distance of a shore where you can find a local market or restaurant that sells their catch of the day.
Catfish is not good quality fish. It’s a trash bottom feeder that does an excellent job of cleaning waterways. Stop eating it and claiming the flavor is unmatched, I can taste the Monsanto runoff.
You can just say you don’t eat cilantro. You don’t have to lie about it being an allergy.
A lot of people I know who say this do it because of the soap gene thing, if they don’t make it clear then it will have cilantro in it anyway and then their food tastes like soap.
We’re finally starting to get there, but American food culture really needs to embrace communal eating more. Think tapas, hot pots, even simply ordering a few dishes to share with the whole table.
It’s more of a social and interactive activity, you get to try more things–it’s just a better experience. And you don’t get ostracized if you have some specific reason that you need your own separate food (medical, personal, whatever).
confused about that last sentence. in my experience, adding more people to the mix drastically increases the chances of ostracization
Well, then you know who not to have dinner with anymore.
Its more important to enjoy what you are eating than it is to follow someone else’s food “rules”. Put ketchup on hotdogs, pineapple on pizza, smear wasabi on sushi, coffee with pasta.
I love food bullies who get off on telling people how to eat and what they should like. The Chef was written for those people.
Ah I see you are enjoying yourself. Would you care to know that you are, in fact, enjoying yourself incorrectly?
There is no joy to be had the way you are doing it. If there is, it is a fault in your character.
The only time I think somebody can really enjoy something incorrectly is in karaoke (not bar karaoke, real karaoke when you get a room) because you can bring down the whole experience so easily. It’s a social activity, not a contest. And it’s a fun activity, not a wake.
coffee with pasta, Do you just plonk it in with the sugar or do you dunk like a biscuit?
in parts of Italy it is highly discouraged to have a main dish with a coffee drink.
Nor do Europeans drink soda with a meal.
Ketchup and Mustard is hot dog glory. What ever the fuck I was served in Chicago had me searching for the meat
since when was ketchup on hotdogs considered unusual!? i thought that was normal my whole life!
not that it matters anyway :P
Baseball.
It is standard.
I think it is some regional pride thing in the states. Chicago people were ready to throw down on it.
I like ketchup and mustard on my dogs. I think pineapple on pizza is revolting, but I don’t pineapple-shame those who like it.
Try it the recommended way for at least one or two bites and then judge how to improve it for yourself.
I got a hotdog at a food truck that appeared near my house a few years ago. I asked for just ketchup on the dog. She laughed and said “You’re a little boy! That’s OK, little boys get hotdogs too.” I’m like, lady I am giving you money right now, is there a version of this encounter where you’re not judging me?
It’s 100% the norm to put ketchup on hot dogs. She can go fuck right off.
More Complicated food does not mean better food.
I dont want my steak with a thick bitter chocolate sauce that pairs with the Beet sauce squirted artfully around the plate, I dont want to try my steak with 18 different steak sauces.
I dont need my chicken curry to be paired with puree asparagus sauce, a Smokey egg yolk poured over peas and you replaced the butter for my bread with a mushroom pate.
Since when did good food stop just being…good food.
Cook it well, let the food speak for itself.
Agree sometimes basics are just great. A quality cheese on toast, or simple boiled egg on toast, hits so good sometimes.
Meh somethings are fun others not, I had Heston Blumenthals pineapple dessert and it was insanely delicious. I had to order before my starter because the process took too long long.
I did then once get served fish in jelly like you would feed a cat from a pouch, on a cracker, as part of a different tasting menu
Brands names and generic coming from the same production lines are priced difference because of differing quality control standards. This may or may not still be the case, but it was when brand names were working on building the brand.
So a can of brand name green beans is more likely to have full beans with better texture and consistency. The lower quality beans, more fragmented and smaller pieces, and more variety in color are going to be in the generic labeled cans. Yes, same beans and same production line but the brand names get the better stuff in the same way as the people who pick through the fresh produce when it arrives at the store and the generic gets to use whatever is left over.
Generics are perfect in soups and casseroles and if you don’t care enough about presentation. Brands are for when you want rigid consistency.
100% still a thing. My etire country’s butter is off the same group and packaged per everyone’s request. Prices vary wildly.
Similarly: You may be able to make a dish at home, but the highest quality ingredients go to restaurants. This doesn’t usually matter much, but sometimes it makes a sizeable difference.
