• boredsquirrel (he)@slrpnk.net
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    Burning down a warehouse full of non-recycled toilet paper isnt really cool. I dont get it. That is so much literal forests that burn for no reason, also a lot of toxins released.

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    This guy rules. Nobody died. Should have paid him more.

    Edit: I can’t believe a warehouse that big didn’t seem to have sprinkler systems. This kind of thing was practically inevitable. Is this just some kind of water conservation exemption in california?

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      Read in an internet comment, so take with a grain, but he apparently had a multistage plan. Started a small fire, fire dept came to deal with it, and company brass had them turn off fire suppression to limit unnecessary damage to product in other areas. It was then that they lit a bunch more fires, and by the time the figured it out, it was too late.

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      Edit: I can’t believe a warehouse that big didn’t seem to have sprinkler systems.

      You want fireproofing? In this economy? How am I supposed to return 30% YoY profits to my investors?!

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      No one died? Dope I mean I might have semi-supported him before, long as he took full steps to protect people and just burn business, legend.

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      uh huh, now dozens of his coworkers don’t have a paycheck. Mission accomplished, I guess. If he really ruled, he would have left the door open.

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        co-workers already weren’t getting pay checks that’s why he sent the place on fire they hadn’t been paid in months…

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          This doesn’t make much sense. If my employer didn’t pay me for months, the only reason I’d stay is if it was a great company that I loved and believed in. Even then, I have hard time believing a company could make this sort of arrangement in California.

          …also-if what you’re saying is true-then the company was a hair breadth away from bankruptcy. Someone burning down the warehouse could have been a best case scenario for everyone but the insurance company.

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    Why do they prosecute people multiple times at different levels of government? Doesn’t that seem kind of unfair?

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      Laws here are intended to protect to the wealthy. Its illegal for homeless people to sleep anywhere outside. Law and fairness are not ideas that ever touch each other.

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      The United States is a federation.

      Each state has a code of laws, and the federal government has one. You break a state law, you’re going to state court. You break a federal law, you’re going to federal court. You break a state law and a federal law, you’re going to state and federal court.

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        Only if you piss off the rich. A good example is Ted Bundy. Murdered non rich people in 4(?) different states, a situation where it would make complete sense the federal government would be bringing the charges because the crimes weren’t all within the jurisdiction of just one state… Yet no federal charges were brought against him, they left it to the states.

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          That would have been so very high profile back then. Did the lack of federal charges tick everybody off? Just wondering if anyone was going for a “let’s play this out through all of the four courts and that’ll be enough” game plan, or if it was ineptitude, focus elsewhere, your explanation, etc.

          Also has that happened in recent history within the past couple of administrations? If you know

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      Because it is such a high profile case, every level of the bureaucracy wants a bite at the apple. Everyone wants to get in front of a camera and say “We’re doing something about it!” to a gaggle of social media influencers and party apparatchiks with press badges.

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          Not corruption, per say. This is a fatal flaw of any democratic institution. You need to be seen doing your job or people will assume it isn’t getting done. So more and more of the job of an executive level official is marketing yourself.

          Everyone who isn’t running around cutting their own promos is setting themselves up for defeat against someone who does.

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            I’m always defending politicians, so… no, just kidding, I’m not. But I will offer a more sympathetic explanation not from experience, just from my hindquarters.

            If there were three different people in power who are all independently upset about a crime, I could imagine each of them figuring out what the suspect did in their jurisdiction. That’s to fight back personally as well as to have a story for the next town hall when someone includes the crime in a long list of places why $currentCity has gone down the tubes over $longPeriod

            So then have these three separate cases because everyone felt disrespected and wants a billboard, “don’t mess with us“. Maybe it wasn’t very relevant that the perp scraped a mailbox while peeling out of the scene of the crime, but is that a reason for the postmaster not to have his friends from the US postal inspection over? :)

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      There are valid reasons to do so, that wouldn’t necessarily feel unfair against someone who for sure did something wrong. Basically, it’s so that one sticks. Derek Chauvin was charged on second degree unintentional murder, third degree murder, and second degree manslaughter.

      These all have different degrees of severity, including average and maximum punishments.

      Unintentional 2nd degree is the hardest, and requires a felony (3rd degree assault) to stick. Max penalty 40y, average 12.5.

      3rd degree murder requires less; just an “eminently dangerous” act with a “depraved mind” and no regard for life. 25y max, same average

      2nd degree Manslaughter is just culpable negligence that can cause unreasonable risk of death or great harm. 10 year max, 4 average.

      Now they have to convince a Jury to convict on those charges. If they don’t think the felony happened, then the first charge is out. If they don’t think he had a “depraved mind”, then the second charge is also out. So to make sure he actually gets a punishment, they charge all charges they believe they can get a jury to accept. Charging in both federal and state can also protect against only one politically motivated Governor or president from pardoning all charges, so they would need two pardons.

      In addition, if the federal government is worried the state trial might be too biased, they may want their own charges just in case. It seems unfair because you may identify with his actions, but if this was someone lynching people in an extremely racist state (I’d like to say like in the past, but maybe even today) the federal government tacking on charges (in a better admin) could protect against racists just absolving someone from said murder.

      In Derek Chauvin’s case all charges were successfully convicted, but that isn’t always the case. It is a double edged sword though.

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        Thank you for the explanation (sincerely).

        Beyond the pardon thing, it just seems like they’re having multiple bites at the same pie whilst being able to ignore double jeopardy.

        It would seem saner to make them commit to whatever the maximum crime/penalty they are aiming for and ignore the rest. Instead it seems like they (the government, in all its forms) can just try to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.

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          Yeah, with corrupt governments in place it’s used more negatively than positively. While there are valid reasons, in practice it’s misplaced good intentions at best, more what you’re saying more likely.

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    Ai voice cloning has gotten so good they cloned the voice of my best friend who is known for NOT burning down warehouses and framed him!

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    So we have a Luigi and a Waluigi. Next up… Mario? Who wants to beat up the evil fatass kidnapping girls?

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    I didn’t like this because of economic damage and needlessness for a bunch of firefighters to stop the spread.

    Should’ve just gone straight to the ceo

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      Then they just replace the CEO with a new one and the cycle continues once again. CEO’s are more often than not just fallguys that get swapped out when shareholders are displeased.

      What this guy did was a direct and tangible hit to the property and finances of the company in a way they will never forget. Entire supply lines will be disrupted and it will take them considerable time to recover. If this type of action was coordinated across multiple locations by their workers it would devastate the company if not destroy it entirely depending on how severe the action was.

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      Nah. We’re diversified. We’re always trying out new and exciting forms of crime. And we’d better, because there’s some Japanese gangs out there that’s gonna do it faster and cheaper.

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      it took UHC 48 hours to pick a new CEO.

      it will take them at least a year to replace that warehouse.

      which do you think will have more impact?

      now compound that impact if multiple warehouses have similar fates.

      the working class is beginning to wake up and realize that the hegemony has always been teetering on collapse.

      we don’t need no water, let the motherfucker burn.

      1000003395