Okay chud. Let’s see your audience’s reaction:

(See how you can make fun of them without making fun of vulnerable groups? its so easy when you aren’t a bigot)

This one is way more zealous than the other one, refer to the other comment for an explanation of the connection.

It isn’t that it’s mean, you dummy, it’s that the underlying values of this joke are in fact fascist in their orientation and, because people like you exist, it is an effective way to promote those values. If you need an example, think of the jokes about these people that reference inbreeding with the presumption that it is correlated with poor intellectual and cognitive ability, and therefore validates the idea that these moral qualities are related to genetic qualities (there is also a classist element in this joke given where they are oriented in the US geographically). Even if there is science to suggest that this is potentially a real consequence of inbreeding, I hope I don’t have to explain even more clearly to you why it is problematic to naturalize the correlation between genetics and the danger one group poses to society at large.

You’ve tried to lecture me on language, but you don’t seem to know what any of these words mean, which is why you are so vulnerable to the manipulation that they promote. You think every fascist is just what, dumber than you? You don’t think that maybe there’s a way to “trick” you into subscribing to the same values they do, especially if you already subscribe to liberalism wholeheartedly as what appears to be the case here? You don’t get to choose the consequences of your actions, you can only inform yourself so that you can make better decisions in the future. If the effect of this joke is that it reproduces the idea that there are physical markers for moral depravity, then you either have to admit that you want it to have that function or change the way you understand these terms and the context they exist in. Some fascists choose to be fascists, most of them just don’t think about it.

I do find it concerning just how many people talk about things like this without ever challenging their fundamental understanding of social norms. A lot of you do just assume you’re smarter than me, which is funny, and I wonder if you’ve ever actually read anything on fatphobia and the arguments for its recognition.

Bigotry is difficult for liberals to understand because they typically want to recognize it as individualized actions of aggression like calling someone a slur or being mean about someone’s weight. Have you considered for a moment that you are vulnerable to the laundering of values that promote dehumanization and genocide through vectors of “bigotry” which you don’t take seriously, such as fatness? You used the word “curable,” which is very convenient for me as it is a good demonstration of how this topic is medicalized (we can ignore the well-documented discrimination against fat people in medical settings for now), and specifically how it is pathologized. When something is pathologized, that means that whatever is seen as wrong with it is always relative to an idealized, “positive” thing; a fat body is bad (unhealthy) because it is not good like a thin body (healthy). Regardless of the medical science behind this construction (of which I’m sure you also have not read as it is well established by this point that fatness is not necessarily unhealthy relative to other factors), this has manifested socially as a vector of discrimination exactly because of the perception that this is an illness that is cured by willpower. Conveniently in an neoliberal culture, an illness that materializes laziness, poor self-control, and general moral degeneracy reinforces an individualism where individual people are responsible for the effects of their material conditions; i.e. you can choose to be fat the same way you can choose to be poor.

Because fatness is not a recognized vector for discrimination in the same way that racism and sexism is, it is an important site of scholarly discourses exactly because of how effective it is at laundering ableism and classism; along with the fact that it is a measurably oppressed and vulnerable group based on the research I allude to above. Liberals like you don’t question any of this, and then readily engage in the fascist rhetoric I am criticizing in this comment with the assumption that you are doing the righteous thing by promoting bodily health and dissuading any claim that a person’s fatness is not related to their moral quality of character. It is not about, “body-positivity” any more than anti-racism and anti-queerphobia is even though those forms of oppression similarly relate to the subordination of particular bodily attributes to others. That oppressive ideal of thinness is inextricably linked to ideas of whiteness, and “fitness” in a very fascist understanding of the natural world and human evolution.

Hope that explains some of it to you.

Oh awesome, could you explain how making fun of fat people constitutes psychological warfare against Nazis? It’s not like a gun, because a gun is a fucking inanimate object, and society and culture are not.

When you say that fatness is something that is akin to the same level of moral depravity as subscribing to genocidal politics, you are reproducing fascist constructions of the ideal human body and the relationship between physical deformity and social degradation. Liberals have used ageism, ableism, queerohobia and transphobia, racism, and yes, fatphobia to make fun of Nazis because most of them have no idea what is wrong about fascism besides the distastefulness of their tactics. It’s not about the language being “offensive,” it’s about anti-fascism.

You wanna be a fascist or not?

Why is it important to make a fat joke about Nazis? Did you run out of things to make fun of them for being Nazis?

Seriously y’all, for all the people on this site who fancy themselves as “leftists” or “progressive,” y’all use eugenicist talking points fucking costantly. You gotta stop making fun of Nazis for shit that has nothing to do with them being Nazis. If your only way to make fun of these people is to target other groups, I’m not sure what you hate about them besides the aesthetics.

Edit: Those that are commenting and messaging, be careful what you think is harmless, you’re not smart enough to passively and subsconsciously address every single internalized value you hold as though you’re God’s chosen goody-goody.

I mean, I’m not.

It doesn’t make sense to you because you’re thinking of this as only individuals’ actions, not systemic forces. In order to maintain access to the power this money affords, these people have to continue to secure more. Capitalism is characterised by the imperative of infinite growth, that means that the true vslue of wealth is always speculative as it is always oriented toward some sort of future, imaginary wealth. While these old men are terrible people who, because of the hierarchal nature of this system, are in a position of power that grants their individual actions significantly more gravity than our own, they are in those positions because they wholeheartedly subscribe to the philosophy of capitalism and all of the brutal violence that is necessary to maintain it.

Whether your husband is a bad person or not is irrelevant because he is not in that position and never will be; and men are particularly vulnerable to internalising these values even if they are not in that position. If he were, he would already be the kind of person who does what they do.

Damn, if only there was a way to like, prevent write permissions of a particular program and/or user so that this couldn’t happen.

This has uh, not been my experience.

I don’t know how many normies you talk to, the vast majority of Apple product owners I meet wouldn’t even know what a proprietary system is, let alone what makes Apple exceptionally bad for it. If it isn’t for jewelery, many of those people are also just buying Apple machines because there is a perceived and real quality gap between them and other options. They think there’s just two major OS’s to chose from and a Chromebook if you’re poor.

Its true though, it is funny and annoying when people who understand what an Apple product is buys it and then acts surprised that it functions as advertised. I think most of these articles are written by people who are trying to warn average people and make sure the issue is platformed.

I feel bad for the poor bastards that will certainly have these forced on them at the office or at school.

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I cannot express in words strongly enough just how little respect I have for who has the right to make what decisions in a wholly genocidal and imperialistic system. You think the legality is the problem, grow the fuck up. Do you know the indigenous name for the land you live on? Ask yourself why you would only notice the legitimacy of the US once its legal system is subverted and not when it fucking commits genocide to survive.

Who fucking cares? Genuinely. Who the absolute fuck cares if he changes the name of a genocidal monstrosity of an organization? On top of that, why the fuck should anyone respect the US legal authority at all? “Gulf of America” is a problem but not “The Grand Canyon” or “Mount Rushmore?” I wonder why you’d draw that line specifically.

You are mad that the empire doesn’t match the aesthetics of some purported morality, it’s spineless. It has always been evil, if “Gulf of America” or “Department of War” is the only point where you even consider the misuse of this “authority,” you’ve been dangerously ignorant until now.

Oh look, I called it.

Fascinating to suggest that it is bold or defiant to affirm that the most destructive, imperialist war machine on the planet is in fact for “defence.” “Department of War” is much more honest, and I’m not a fan of how criticisms like this are oriented toward maintaining the purported morality of what is fundamentally a genocidal, globally oppressive institution.

Truly a bot comment.

A co-op is fundamentally not capitalism if it does indeed afford ownership of the means of production and value of the products proportionately to its members. Capitalism != commerce, that misconception is a very powerful pro-Capitalist tool. Capitalism is specifically a system with its own relations of power organized around private ownership, profit maximization, and infinite growth; it does not refer to just the concepts of wealth or trade or even profit driven organizing.

Good thing Anna’s Archive exists and just keeps getting better.

Learned helplessness.

Yeah I’ve had interactions like that as well. Another issue is a lot of this work is done through contracts with third-party developers too. I’ve met people who could say the name of the company they work for and you’d have to dig to find out they develop software for US military tank systems, so it is also easy for them to obscure their work if they understand people will challenge their participation in it.