I recognize there is a massive anti incarnation argument (in the US). I agree with many of the points and reasons I’ve heard. That said, murderers, child molesters etcetera are still gonna exist to some degree no matter what. So, without incarnation, what are some options?


Vibes based “feels like” over empirical data based (hard evidence). “It feels like bloodletting is a more effective cure for sepsis than intensive antibiotic treatment.” That’s how that sounds.
All the time you spend asking questions and disagreeing you could as well spend actually searching, reading, watching videos.
That’s not how a discussion works. Sure I could sit and do that by myself. I have done a good bit of looking into the topic. That’s why I posed the question in the first place. But the point of a thread here is to ask a question and discuss it. If you think you have an objectively correct solution, lay it out. You linked a singular BBC article about a sigular tiny population country (1/60th the size) with completely different social, systemic and economic issues than faced in the US. Is that all the empirical data you’re talking about? I’m just trying to have a talk about the subject. Typically part of a discussion includes opinions and how one feels about the topic. Again if you have hard data that provides an objective actionable solution please provide it.