No, the punishment was increased pain, hardship, expulsion from the garden of Eden, and mortality.

Have you even read the book? From an “as a story” concept, whatever that means?

At some point, one of y’all is going to have to admit that the story doesn’t actually make any sense, instead of reinterpreting it again to make yourselves feel comfy.

The “punishment” seems like the plan all along.

Then your god is a vengeful, evil monster, unworthy of worship

Cool thing about Lemmy is you can just read the code and find out

So the latter then, thanks for clearing that up

So, you understand how all this comes off as you running defense for someone that purposely rammed a person on a bicycle? Because it seems like you don’t understand that. I want to know if this is a bit, or if you’re really just this dense

No, I think the subtext is that it’s asinine to be annoyed* by tourists, especially when you live in a place who’s economy depends on them

And you were given a quite thorough explanation of why “but what if really BIG laser?” is a bad idea

I thought the card-based combat and deck building in Chain of Memories was fun, and the PS2 remake was really well done imo. KH2 is good, but story-wise, I don’t think anything can top 358 days/2, though Birth By Sleep comes close, and I like the combat in BBS more than KH2.

Skip re:Coded though, or just find a compilation of the cutscenes/story on YouTube. That one is ass

Wow, that is controversial. Think of how inefficient that would be

Bloodmouths is a term that certain vegetarians/vegans use to refer to people that eat meat. I assume cheese-breathers is another term meant to refer to anyone who consumes any animal-based foods.

You’re not gonna convince me, and I’m not gonna convince you. I’m done with this conversation before you devolve further into personal attacks.

Yeah your response sounded like it was generated by an LLM, so I had to check. If you think that’s bad faith on my part, idk what to tell you

Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for scrambled eggs

It needed the rules, and it needed carefully worded questions that matched the parameters set by the rules. I bet if the questions’ wording didn’t match your rules so exactly, it would generate worse answers. Heck, I bet if you gave it the rules, then asked several completely unrelated questions, then asked it your carefully worded rules-based questions, it would perform worse, because it’s context window would be muddied. Because that’s what it’s generating responses based on - the contents of it’s context window, coupled with stats-based word generation.

I still maintain that it shouldn’t need the rules if it’s truly reasoning though. LLMs train on a massive set of data, surely the information required to reason out the answers to your container questions is in there. Surely if it can reason, it should be able to generate answers to simple logical puzzles without someone putting most of the pieces together for them first.

I can be convinced by contrary evidence if provided. There is no evidence of reasoning in the example you linked. All that proved was that if you prime an LLM with sufficient context, it’s better at generating output, which is honestly just more support for calling them statistical auto-complete tools. Try asking it those same questions without feeding it your rules first, and I bet it doesn’t generate the right answers. Try asking it those questions 100 times after feeding it the rules, I bet it’ll generate the wrong answers a few times.

If LLMs are truly capable of reasoning, it shouldn’t need your 16 very specific rules on “arithmetic with extra steps” to get your very carefully worded questions correct. Your questions shouldn’t need to be carefully worded. They shouldn’t get tripped up by trivial “trick questions” like the original one in the post, or any of the dozens of other questions like it that LLMs have proven incapable of answering on their own. The fact that all of those things do happen supports my claim that they do not reason, or think, or understand - they simply generate output based on their input and internal statistical calculations.

LLMs are like the Wizard of Oz. From afar, they look like these powerful, all-knowing things. The speak confidently and convincingly, and are sometimes even correct! But once you get up close and peek behind the curtain, you realize that it’s just some complicated math, clever programming, and a bunch of pirated books back there.

No, they cannot reason, by any definition of the word. LLMs are statistics-based autocomplete tools. They don’t understand what they generate, they’re just really good at guessing how words should be strung together based on complicated statistics.

Apply that astute logical assessment to your own arguments and claims first 😚

I don’t think a US Army/Air Force vet is going to have any less biased of a take than the a Dutch government official lmao

Well yeah, nerds in their basement with a passion for repairability figured out how to jailbreak iPhones, of course nation-states with a passion for killing others protecting their global interests are gonna figure out how to jailbreak their war machines

Fair, but it’s still giving you really really bad advice. It should reply to those prompts with something like “it’s not safe or sanitary to insert food items into your rectum, and the FDA doesn’t recommend it. Only use adult toys and devices specifically designed for anal insertion” or something along those lines.