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Coffee and I also like iced green tea. You are going to argue that unsweetened iced green tea is also a killer drink?
I am just not that worried about it, based on decades of use without apparent personal harm, and evident personal benefit. I enjoy the coffee and tea and the “high” from them, which I interpreted as the point of OP’s question about substances.
I don’t care about your addictions, you’re welcome to have them. But to pretend it isn’t an addiction and is actually healthy for you is more ridiculous than those “you can’t get addicted to weed” bros.
Not to mention that caffeine is a more risky and harmful drug than cannabis, except for when it comes to first-time inebriation, where cannabis slightly takes the lead.
70% of daily users get physical withdrawal if they skip their daily fix.
Physical. Withdrawal.
Caffeine makes you much more likely to hear auditory hallucinations. We had one coworker at a phone dispatch, who yelled loud af and always banged her keyboard constantly, some sort of neurosis. She was literally banned from doing orders that the govt paid for because of her massive error rate, because she was always so amped on caffeine as to be half-blind. No-one drunk the shit she made. It was like tar. And she had like a dozen cups during the working day.
“Healthy” yeah sure.
If your daily caffeine fix is not an addiction and just for your health, would you believe my daily wake&bake is also just for health reasons and carries absolutely zero risk?
I didn’t say I am not addicted. Physical addiction, sure, because I get the headache when quitting. But as a drug I like it and it’s been an overall benefit to my life and health. Fewer migraines with daily coffee than without. Meaning even after a couple of years off it, increased incidence of migraine if I abstain from all caffeine. Reduced incidence if I use it daily.
My ex wrecked his teeth smoking pot, so I do not think smoking anything is good for you. But no I wouldn’t judge, whatever works for you. And no I don’t think cannabis is bad, certainly ought not be illegal I just hate the effect. Blah feeling, irritated not high just feel tired and slow.
Except that’s an oxymoron. You mean dependency. That’s a physical thing. Addiction is a brain disorder. They’re actually medically two different things. Like a psychiatrist and a psychologist. Sometimes a thing can be both at the same time, but those two are distinct medical things.
But as a drug I like it
Yeah see that’s the addiction speaking.
an overall benefit to my life and health.
Luckily I’ve never heard this from people who shoot up amphetamines and go to work (driving a HGV) and think their boss can’t see they’re high as balls. Oh wait, yes I have.
so I do not think smoking anything is good for you.
And who would argue otherwise? Cannabis can be used without staining one’s teeth, unlike coffee. Just eat it.
We’re not doing a comparison between coffee and cannabis, because this thread didn’t start with me saying “cannabis has never been proven harmful”, because I know that’s not true.You however you said is “coffee has never proven to be harmful”. Yes it has. Very clearly and obviously and there’s tons of data on it.
Coffee not powder caffeine - I know the refined drug caffeine is too strong to safely dose it. I’m not snorting caffeine or slamming monster drinks.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4862107/
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-00409-y
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/9-reasons-why-the-right-amount-of-coffee-is-good-for-you
ETA Coffee and I also like iced green tea. You are going to argue that unsweetened iced green tea is also a killer drink?
I am just not that worried about it, based on decades of use without apparent personal harm, and evident personal benefit. I enjoy the coffee and tea and the “high” from them, which I interpreted as the point of OP’s question about substances.
Honestly, this is like listening to some old smelly smoker puffing unfiltered rollups tell me how unhealthy vaping is.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2009/02/coca-cola
I don’t care about your addictions, you’re welcome to have them. But to pretend it isn’t an addiction and is actually healthy for you is more ridiculous than those “you can’t get addicted to weed” bros.
Not to mention that caffeine is a more risky and harmful drug than cannabis, except for when it comes to first-time inebriation, where cannabis slightly takes the lead.
70% of daily users get physical withdrawal if they skip their daily fix.
Physical. Withdrawal.
Caffeine makes you much more likely to hear auditory hallucinations. We had one coworker at a phone dispatch, who yelled loud af and always banged her keyboard constantly, some sort of neurosis. She was literally banned from doing orders that the govt paid for because of her massive error rate, because she was always so amped on caffeine as to be half-blind. No-one drunk the shit she made. It was like tar. And she had like a dozen cups during the working day.
“Healthy” yeah sure.
If your daily caffeine fix is not an addiction and just for your health, would you believe my daily wake&bake is also just for health reasons and carries absolutely zero risk?
I didn’t say I am not addicted. Physical addiction, sure, because I get the headache when quitting. But as a drug I like it and it’s been an overall benefit to my life and health. Fewer migraines with daily coffee than without. Meaning even after a couple of years off it, increased incidence of migraine if I abstain from all caffeine. Reduced incidence if I use it daily.
My ex wrecked his teeth smoking pot, so I do not think smoking anything is good for you. But no I wouldn’t judge, whatever works for you. And no I don’t think cannabis is bad, certainly ought not be illegal I just hate the effect. Blah feeling, irritated not high just feel tired and slow.
Except that’s an oxymoron. You mean dependency. That’s a physical thing. Addiction is a brain disorder. They’re actually medically two different things. Like a psychiatrist and a psychologist. Sometimes a thing can be both at the same time, but those two are distinct medical things.
Yeah see that’s the addiction speaking.
Luckily I’ve never heard this from people who shoot up amphetamines and go to work (driving a HGV) and think their boss can’t see they’re high as balls. Oh wait, yes I have.
And who would argue otherwise? Cannabis can be used without staining one’s teeth, unlike coffee. Just eat it.
We’re not doing a comparison between coffee and cannabis, because this thread didn’t start with me saying “cannabis has never been proven harmful”, because I know that’s not true. You however you said is “coffee has never proven to be harmful”. Yes it has. Very clearly and obviously and there’s tons of data on it.