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  • no way to verify it isn’t beyond “trust me bro” and I don’t trust them

    If the verification service is structured like oauth, then the request could be passed through the browser as signed plaintext. You could verify that the requesting site is only passing a minimum age request to the service. That would be as straightforward as viewing the interaction in your browser’s debug tooling.

    If you say that you don’t trust the signature, and that it could be used to smuggle identifying information across, there’s a couple of ways to deal with that: open source and audited provider governed by legislation; information theory that would show personally identifying information wouldn’t fit into a field of that size; and “personal auditing” where you can try throwing data at the service to see if you can trick it into accepting invalid input (that really goes with the previous point, because the only field you can usefully vary is the signature).



  • The identifying site doesn’t need to record IP or other identifying information. It just needs to answer “yes” or “no” when queried about the current user. It could use a similar handoff mechanism to oauth.

    The cost of a hack turns into getting a list of people in the region, rather than people who use a given service. Arguably, that’s less problematic.












  • Data shows that injection sites in Canada led to reduced crime in their neighbourhoods. But it’s easier for the right to make a scapegoat instead of follow data.

    That’s a great illustration of why we need more diverse views on Lemmy.

    You’re right, some data supports your view. But there are a bunch of people living near safe injection sites who were having a shitty time. Both can be true at once, and dismissing the experience of people living in the situation pushes people away from us, and into the arms of the right.

    And because conservatives lied, that’s the lefts fault?

    Lefties (like you and me) ignoring people who are suffering because of well-meaning policy that needs to be improved is entirely the fault of the left.

    This is why we need more perspectives on Lemmy: we aren’t always right, and even when we are, lefty policy occasionally doesn’t work. If the left doesn’t hear about it and fix it, the right will.


  • In Canada, conservatives were some of the first to call out the cost of living crisis.

    Folks on the (institutional) left ignored and derided them. But it turns out they were right - lower and middle class people were hurting. We chose not to listen, and ceded the issue. That gave the Conservatives their best electoral showing in the last federal election.

    Similar things happened in Ontario with supervised drug use sites. A bunch of residents near the drug sites had problems with crime and vagrancy. The lefty echo chamber ignored their concerns, so the conservatives ran with it. Now we’re losing safe injection sites.

    Shutting out differing points of view doesn’t make problems go away. It just gives us a blind spot. And that gives right leaning parties the opportunity to build public support.


  • This makes me worried that I’m in some sort of echo chamber. In real life, I do see much more diverse opinions and, if I only used the fediverse for social media, would likely be weaker in defending my own since their arguments would be “new” to me.

    You are in an echo chamber. Lemmy has a very small Overton window. There are lots of excuses and reasons, but it isn’t a good thing.

    I’ve seen a handful of (small c) conservatives here bounce off. It isn’t good - we on the left aren’t always right, and even when we are, our policies don’t always do as intended.

    I wish there were more people here, and we could disagree productively.