Why or why not?

If so, would it depend on how they present or their assigned gender at birtb or something else?

(Edit: fixed AGAB to confuse less people. Sorry people.)

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    5 days ago

    though have you considered that hiding such identity has been product of cultural factors?

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      5 days ago

      Oh, sure. But if that was the case, I would expect to see evidence of it cropping up throughout history, like we see with homosexuality and transsexuality. Maybe there is evidence and I’m just ignorant, but it hasn’t been pointed out to me if that’s the case.

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        4 days ago

        It might also be, that the multitude of different sexualities is result of people being able to think about that stuff without worrying constantly they will be hunted down for it. Even though things are still not exactly optimal, society has become safe enough for more complex behaviour to emerge. So on second thought, maybe its indeed product of cultural factors 🤔

        Personally, i have always thought i’m 100% straight, but after discussing about things with a friend and after starting to feel I shed last of the things suppressing me, I think i might be only 90% ±9% straight. I think if we could completely remove all suppression of thought, every human would deviate at least a little from binaric gender system. I also think it would improve mental health a lot too and it would lessen the amount of people who want to hurt other people for being different. Probably everyone who preaches how homosexuality is a sin is secretly non-straight, but they just suppress it so badly it drives them to insanity of hurting others.

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          4 days ago

          That’s a nice line of thinking but it ignores the fact that it adds layers of complexity to life that aren’t necessarily beneficial. What has this 100% to 90-99% straight identification really added to your life vs. how much cognitive power it’s cost you to achieve it?

          This is what I meant about us not having observed gender-neutral identification appearing throughout history. Sure, it may be a nuanced idea to gender identity, but what’s it really worth? If it was worth much, I would think we’d see examples of it poke through the prejudices of society throughout history. I just don’t see that.

          Likewise, if it was really biologically driven, I would think it couldn’t be fully suppressed by societal norms, just like homosexuality and transsexuality. The fact that it doesn’t seem to be so strong a trait leaves me thinking it’s a cultural phenomenon. That doesn’t make it invalid or useless, but it certainly does make it less important than traits that are indelible enough to overcome cultural factors.

          Honestly, I’m really not convinced it’s just a cultural fad, which may reflect a gradient on the gender spectrum, but is more like the tapers of the two spikes that represent male/female identification, rather than some vast valley of gender-in-betweenism that deserves broad acknowledgement.

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            3 days ago

            it means i might be open to relationship with same gender as myself or other experiences. It also means i can better relate to other people in similar position. But how can you evaluate what is necessarily beneficial to others or how much bother things have caused for them?

            But ultimately, what does it even matter what people think about their gender? its their own business. It still falls down to people either liking eachother or not. Only thing added is expectation of respecting what other person thinks about themselves, which also serves as a filter for people one wouldnt want to associate with anyway.