This is huge
The right-wing candidate who said “stop the war on cars” was defeated.
The leftist who said “My goal is to make sure Grégoire loses” was defeated
This is huge
The right-wing candidate who said “stop the war on cars” was defeated.
The leftist who said “My goal is to make sure Grégoire loses” was defeated
“The leftist who said “My goal is to make sure Grégoire loses” was defeated”
why do we have these
there’s another way to phrase “I am going to lose and I want Greg to lose and Donklus is the only other person running”
glad she didn’t “save Palestine” though gj to the percent of Paris that did the not dumb thing
In Italy is the same and it’s one of the reasons we’re getting fascists elected everywhere
Tankies are everywhere, especially here on Lemmy. Their main enemy is the center left, just as they always were. Remember that the German communists branded the social democrats as social fascists and considered them almost as bad the literal Nazis.
I would definetely not call France Insoumise tankies. Their platform is basically what the Socialist Party’s platform was in the 80s, they pretty much only have a niche to occupy only because the socialists moved so far to the right. That being said, they do have the benefit of being vocal on anti-racist and anti-colonial policies.
I wish they were actual tankies. In France. The French Communist Party has some Marxist-Leninist memberd, but they are not the majority of the party right now. For a while, the PCF was in an Alliance with the Parti de Gauche (the precursor to France Insoumise), and only took parts in elections as part of this alliance. But Mélenchon, who used to rule Parti de Gauche and now rules France Insoumise, stopped making concessions to the Communist Parti (such as supporting their candidates in the few Communist Parti strongholds left in France), which was seen as a betrayal, and so the Communist parti elected as its leader Fabien Roussel, who is less favorable to alliances with FI unless there are other parties in it as well to avoid the PCF getting fully absorbed as a satellite of FI.
The problem is that despite the core of the PCF’s program being further left than FI’s program, the rethoric used by Roussel, the pojects he puts forwards and the ones he chooses to ally with are increasingly further right wing than FI. With FI being new and having more momentum, they’re the ones often demonized by the center and Roussel’s strategy is to make the PCF appear less scary than them. He is cultivating an older and whiter electorate that can be nostalgic of the time when the PCF was strong and scared of the new and strange FI. I would’ve liked the PCF to instead go further left than FI. But unfortunately, its move right is kind of in the continuation of the de-stalinisation that happened after the fall of tbe USSR. It’s a party with a rich history, more of an internal democracy than FI and deep ties with unions and other organizations, but the way it’s headed, it can’t go very far.
Then you have Force Ouvrière, a Trotskyite party. Problem with them is they kinda have their butt between two chairs. They take part in elections just to get known, while claiming the true change must come from a revolution… But aside from selling newspapers, they’re not doing much organizing. They’re neither really giving themselves the mean to act either in the political world or in the streets. They’re not in favor of seeking improvements through unions or electoral politics because they think small improvements will stop people from wanting to revolt.
This description fits most of the small leftist groups in France, but despite their similarities, their attachement to ideological purity keeps them from banding together
The guys who literally collaborated the nazis? No shit
Beside aren’t you one of them genocide influencer whining about everybody being “antisemite”?
He is, but that isn’t relevant right now. Smearing center left does not help the broader leftist project. It’s always “left unity” when it comes to anarchists and social democrats listening to authoritarian Marxists, but never the other way around. I consider “left unity” an authoritarian dog whistle at this point
Oh fuck off. French socialists have voted for every liberal bullshit for a decade. The pension reform?
It’s the LFI, it’s leftists who don’t play along well with other leftists (along with some other problematic traits).
If you consider the french socialists to be left then… Idk. Maybe you need to curate more what your information sources are.
They don’t play well with any leftist parties, not necessarily the socialists (who are iirc pretty center these days). LFI is quite abrasive.
They are the biggest player in the left. They want to unify the left around them. Other parties do not want this because they all want to share the pie. I’d say they are the biggest team players and the others are retarded. They twice now took the initiative to rally the entire left around them and yet they are somehow the ones not playing nice.
No, they want the other left parties to agree to all their conditions and refuse to compromise on their positions. I’m all for a united left but LFI is a big part of the problem.
So the biggest player with the most success so far should compromise to the people who wants to push a liberal agenda?
This makes no sense. You cannot do fuck all for years, loose your base, alienate everybody and then come to say “hey stop bullying me and accept my conditions, also you’re antisemitic, and I hate the way you speak”.
Yes, they should compromise. They’re obviously not big enough to win on their own, so they should compromise like all the others. They refuse to do so, and the logical consequence is that other parties refuse to join them.
If you think that having more popularity makes them the absolute authority of the left and every other party should bow to their ideas, we have nothing to discuss.
They refuse to compromise with parties less liberal than them as well, by the way. They refuse to compromise no matter the agenda.
What specific issues do you think they refuse to compromise on? Islamoleftism? Genocide being bad?
You miss the points. To quote someone else “you don’t have the cards”.
When your party is irrelevant and you want to push your agenda and slander the other bigger boy, ofc you gonna get bullied. That’s how life works.
I would have upvoted you til you used an ableist slur. You could have made your argument perfectly well - in fact, even stronger - if you chose a specific word that more closely matches the problem. It isn’t that they’re intellectually disabled, it’s because they are too blinded by ideology to take a pragmatic approach. I’d just say “…the others aren’t pragmatic enough to put aside their differences” or something.
No. This has nothing to do with pragmatism. This is the fucking ruling class shitting their pants because they fear the loss of their privileges. The PS is nothing more than cockroaches trying everything to keep the little bit of power they have.
Do you imagine if you had to find a proper job after being an elected PS official for years? What would you out in your CV? Traitor (Faure)? CIA asset (Glucksman)? "I successfully lead a party to its ruin (Holland, Valls)?
Right, okay, that’s fine – my point is that the problem isn’t intellectual disability, and even if it was, you shouldn’t use the r-slur. I am disabled and I have had that word weaponized against me my entire life, and seeing it used brings back memories of all of the times I was bullied and harassed for being different.
Sorry that happened to you buddy ♥️
I can understand this. If it clears things up in my world retarded! = disabled.
In my head, retarded is someone who’s purposefully going out if his way to be as stupid as possible. Just like dude or bro is genderless. Idk if this makes sense for you, tho.
I’m sorry if you felt attacked. This was not the goal.
Get rid of Melenchon and we can talk.
Why? Because the hardlib hate him?
For those with their eyes filled with sawdust: Because he turned into a piece of populistic shit. Also, as you don’t seem to be living in France, for good or bad reasons, loads of people hate him and fear him, and will never ever vote for him.
So let’s keep him so that they will never win, right, to own the euh, “hardlibs”, by getting Bardela elected instead. That’ll teach the, euh “hardlibs”.
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Bro if only this was my call
Socialists are so left they constantly aligned with macron, an investment banker.
Please. If you don’t know what you’re talking about just shut up
I was not making any judgement about the socialists, nor was I only referring to that party.