• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Conspiracy theorists were right.

    Epstein met with 4chan’s founder just as the site’s infamous political thread began

    Newly released Epstein emails offer clues to meetings with the founder of 4chan, the site known as a hub for far-right propaganda and QAnon conspiracy theories.

    Despite Epstein’s Toxicity, Steve Bannon Stood by Him, Texts Indicate

    Off and on for months, Mr. Bannon, a leader in the MAGA movement and a former top aide to President Trump, had been advising Mr. Epstein on how to handle resurrected allegations that he was a serial pedophile. Mr. Bannon recommended which lawyers to hire — his own — when to lie low and when he should jump on an opening to push his narrative. He scheduled what the two men called “media training.”

    The fall of Mandelson and McSweeney proves Corbyn was right

    By crushing the left, and abandoning popular Corbyn policies that Starmer had himself signed up to - such as nationalising utilities, abolishing student tuition fees, ending NHS outsourcing and opposing illegal wars - the clique around Starmer broke the promise of change that voters expected.

    Backing Israel’s genocide was only the most extreme example.

    Musk echoes rightwing conspiracy theories to defend social security cuts

    The billionaire owner of Tesla and SpaceX and Donald Trump’s “first buddy” has been trying to justify cuts to programs like social security, arguing that the fraud has cost the government up to $200bn.

    Time and again, conspiracy theories are used to undermine serious journalistic inquiries, distract from ongoing scandals, silence outsider critics, destroy progressive socio-economic reforms, and perpetuate crimes against humanity.

    Not only were the conspiracy theorists - from QAnon and Bannon to Mandelson and McSweeney to Theil and Musk - instrumental in covering up the truth of the Epstein Scandal, they were routinely complicit in the actual sexual abuse.

    Follow any one of these conspiracy rabbit holes and at the end of it you’ll inevitably find some media savvy billionaire - a Rupert Murdoch or Ross Perot or Charlies Koch or Robert Mercer - propping the whole bag of bullshit up so they can hustle another Reagan or Bush or Trump over the line and loot your back pockets while you’re not looking.

    That’s assuming the conspiracy isn’t straight up manufactured by the IDF to help justify another round of drone strikes in Gaza.

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      Follow any one of these conspiracy rabbit holes and at the end of it you’ll inevitably find some media savvy billionaire - a Rupert Murdoch or Ross Perot or Charlies Koch or Robert Mercer - propping the whole bag of bullshit up so they can hustle another Reagan or Bush or Trump over the line and loot your back pockets while you’re not looking.

      That’s assuming the conspiracy isn’t straight up manufactured by the IDF to help justify another round of drone strikes in Gaza.

      So, you’re theorizing that a conspiracy of rich people and jews will conspire to push their agendas and genocide, which means conspiracy theories are fake?

      Got some news for ya, you are one, just not one of the David Icke ones. Turns out that like LITERALLY every other group, “conspiracy theorists,” (or, “those who believe we aren’t being told the full truth about X because of the hidden agenda of Y powerful people”) are also not a monolith, some are racist and some are not. Some racists are conspiracy theorists, and some are not. Some prefer coke while others prefer pepsi, point is there’s variations.

      Conspiracy, when broken down into it’s root words, means to “breathe (-spiro) together (con-).” It doesn’t have to be fake, it really just has to be people working together to achieve a goal typically defined as “illegal,” though tbh I’d argue that as well, because then all it would need to not be a conspiracy is “the island said it was legal to fuck the kids.” By definition however, that means that any criminal organization is a conspiracy, bloods, crips, cartels, the mob, and a gang of powerful pedos are all conspirators within their groups.

      Now, as for conspiracy theories (a term invented by COINTELPRO to discredit those questioning the official narrative surrounding the death of JFK), these circles were much less racist before ~2015ish (still there, but less, more anti-semetic but also some of that can be explained by people simply saying “jews” when “zionists” would be more specific as I did above for comedic affect), what if a powerful group of people pushed racist agendas into the space to discredit those that are on the right track? I mean, with Epstein involved in /pol/, it’s entirely possible… What if Alex Jones was a plant to accomplish just that? He was one of the major ones responsible for the shift into direct racism that made most of the non-racist people who are skeptical of the world’s leaders leave boards like /x/ and stop talking about it, because the second you do someone like you says “well you’re racist because Alex also doesn’t believe everything he’s told, and he’s racist, so you must be racist too.”

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          And he’s conspiring with people to control a narrative and push their agenda, eh? Not telling everyone the whole truth, is it? Hmmm…

          Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me!

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            And he’s conspiring with people

            A conspiracy theory is when you conspire with people openly and in plain view of the public.

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              Yes, conspiring with conspirators is a conspiracy, that we know it is happening only changes it from “theory” to “fact.”

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                Yes, conspiring with conspirators is a conspiracy

                Okay

                that we know it is happening only changes it from “theory” to “fact.”

                Yes, correct. I’m glad you’ve come around.

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                  Not quite, because denying the existence (or possible truth I should say) of conspiracy theories and only accepting conspiracies done in the open only serves to keep the yet unproven ones a secret.

                  Epstein’s island wasn’t exactly on twitter, but it was happening, yet anyone before the files were released that said “our country is controlled by pedos who worship Moloch and eat people” was called crazy. Well now that it is conspiracy fact instead of a theory, where’s my apology? Nowhere, just mental gymnastics “well some of the people who said that thought it was ‘the jews’ so no dice.”

                  Another one, when the island got raided and he wound up dead, many theorized he had been murdered, come to find out that evidence supports this, so let’s assume you accept that even though it contradicts the official story. But then many theorized he worked for Mossad. Mossad still denies it but the FBI and the emails seem to indicate there was truth to that, now, will it take Mossad admitting it for you to not call those who think it’s probable “crazy?”

                  Just because something is done in secret and/or denied by the perpetrators doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. Don’t just blindly believe the official narriative or you’ll wind up thinking a 30-06 round got caught in Charlie’s soft fleshy neck instead of blowing right through as it would on anyone else “because he was superman.”

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      You are doing exactly what I said… 4chan is just a place for loud idiots you are the one choosing to give them merit so you can dismiss me. Fuck off and feel bad for dismissing the victims for all these years take some responsibility and stop blaming others.

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      Just think… Why did he want to infiltrate 4chan? Was it to invent conspiracies against him, or to manipulate the conspiracies so they could be dismissed…? Actually think rather than trying to come up with reasons to not take responsibility for not believing survivors sooner. You know that big ass group of women we see on stage these days have been saying what they have been saying for years right? Why haven’t you heard of them before all this? THINK!