Just because something is wrong, doesn’t mean it wasn’t a valuable contribution on our journey to a truth.
The general accusation to conspiracy theorists is that it’s all wrong and all super ridiculously obviously wrong, like flat earth. A “medium severe” conspiracy theory like “it’s rich people who are kidnapping and raping kids” barely gets attention.
It’s also making the mistake of treating “conspiracy theorists” as a monolith, which they’re not.
Finally:
Until something is officially declared a crime and a legal accusation is made, people are officially, legally innocent. Which means everyone saying “Epstein didn’t kill himself” or “Donald Trump is involved in a child trafficking operation”, is a conspiracy theorist.
Which probably means you too.
What it comes down to is this: the next time you hear something ridiculous, but evil about the government, do you dismiss it, or do you research it? Because we know who will tell you to “move along” and there is “nothing to see”.
Conspiracy theories are generally very big, very serious accusations being made confidently without serious evidence.
The prevalence of conspiracy theories does indeed make it harder for people who want to stay grounded in reality to accept criticism of the powerful – this is one of the harms of conspiracy theories. It makes it harder for genuine serious criticism to be taken seriously – this is why the Putin regime allows conspiracy theorists, but persecutes serious regime critics.
It’s also making the mistake of treating “conspiracy theorists” as a monolith, which they’re not.
It pretty much was. The qanon nonsense functioned as an umbrella conspiracy theory, which pretty much coopted all other conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists.
If you can see what a cult/psyop can do to influence people’s beliefs (Q), certainly you can then see that a lot of conspiracy spaces are manipulated by bots and other people in bad faith doing the same thing.
Not every conspiracy theorist forms beliefs - they could merely be hypothesizing/speculating. Not every conspiracy theorist believes in everything posted in these spaces, and not every conspiracy theorist follows Q and other cults like it.
Until something is officially declared a crime and a legal accusation is made, people are officially, legally innocent. Which means everyone saying “Epstein didn’t kill himself” or “Donald Trump is involved in a child trafficking operation”, is a conspiracy theorist.
What? No just because something is not yet verified by court does not mean that you are a conspiracy theoriest for believing it. If there is sufficent evidence it is okay to believe in something. There is sufficent evidence Trump is involved in the whole thing. Epstein didn’t kill himself is a bit more tricky because there are different theories, he got killed is not all impropable especially with how the whole thing was handled so for me it hardly qualifies as a conspiracy theory in the collequial sense. He fleed, there was a body double and he now lives carefree somewhere? Not impossible but currently not enough evidence so i would declare it a conspiracy theory.
Spewing falsehoods, inciting hate against groups of people and clinging to a story that has been disproven for years is no worthwhile contribution. They have not contributed anything to either revealing the wrongdoing or solving anything about the case. If anything they have voted into power the most active suppressant to either of those two and it does not seem too far fetched that this is a closed feedback loop, i.e. the original “Q” falsehoods came from that very circle that is now both accused and in power or blackmailing those in power.
What it comes down to is this: the next time you hear something ridiculous, but evil about the government, do you dismiss it, or do you research it?
This is probably your best point. The more of these unhinged and wrong theories there are, the less likely I’m going to have a grain of belief the next time I’m going to hear something like it. It only hurts the truth. Nothing else.
If anything they have voted into power the most active suppressant to either of those two and it does not seem too far fetched that this is a closed feedback loop, i.e. the original “Q” falsehoods came from that very circle that is now both accused and in power or blackmailing those in power.
the establishment dems were more than willing to let all this stay hidden, under 2 terms of obama and 1 with biden. giving maxwell and epstein cushy pleadeals in return for not turning on anyonw else. so clearly voting in trump a 2nd time was the right move, far as actually bringing this stuff to light.
Until something is officially declared a crime and a legal accusation is made, people are officially, legally innocent. Which means everyone saying “Epstein didn’t kill himself” or “Donald Trump is involved in a child trafficking operation”, is a conspiracy theorist.
Courts determine criminal liability withing the justice system. They do not determine truth itself. When properly designed and used, the legal system should trend towards truth, but actual truth is a separate thing entirely. The unifying aspect of conspiracy theorists is completely naive epistemology. You guys are actually doing epistemology but you just refuse to actually look at the thousands of years of work that’s been done in the field across civilizations all over the world.
That’s a super dumb take.
Just because something is wrong, doesn’t mean it wasn’t a valuable contribution on our journey to a truth.
The general accusation to conspiracy theorists is that it’s all wrong and all super ridiculously obviously wrong, like flat earth. A “medium severe” conspiracy theory like “it’s rich people who are kidnapping and raping kids” barely gets attention.
It’s also making the mistake of treating “conspiracy theorists” as a monolith, which they’re not.
Finally:
Until something is officially declared a crime and a legal accusation is made, people are officially, legally innocent. Which means everyone saying “Epstein didn’t kill himself” or “Donald Trump is involved in a child trafficking operation”, is a conspiracy theorist.
Which probably means you too.
What it comes down to is this: the next time you hear something ridiculous, but evil about the government, do you dismiss it, or do you research it? Because we know who will tell you to “move along” and there is “nothing to see”.
Conspiracy theories are generally very big, very serious accusations being made confidently without serious evidence.
The prevalence of conspiracy theories does indeed make it harder for people who want to stay grounded in reality to accept criticism of the powerful – this is one of the harms of conspiracy theories. It makes it harder for genuine serious criticism to be taken seriously – this is why the Putin regime allows conspiracy theorists, but persecutes serious regime critics.
It pretty much was. The qanon nonsense functioned as an umbrella conspiracy theory, which pretty much coopted all other conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists.
You think everyone who has a crazy theory is all part of one big world wide organization?
Do they hold meetings?
My conspiracy theory is the conspiracy theorists international organisation’s annual meeting
If you can see what a cult/psyop can do to influence people’s beliefs (Q), certainly you can then see that a lot of conspiracy spaces are manipulated by bots and other people in bad faith doing the same thing.
Not every conspiracy theorist forms beliefs - they could merely be hypothesizing/speculating. Not every conspiracy theorist believes in everything posted in these spaces, and not every conspiracy theorist follows Q and other cults like it.
What? No just because something is not yet verified by court does not mean that you are a conspiracy theoriest for believing it. If there is sufficent evidence it is okay to believe in something. There is sufficent evidence Trump is involved in the whole thing. Epstein didn’t kill himself is a bit more tricky because there are different theories, he got killed is not all impropable especially with how the whole thing was handled so for me it hardly qualifies as a conspiracy theory in the collequial sense. He fleed, there was a body double and he now lives carefree somewhere? Not impossible but currently not enough evidence so i would declare it a conspiracy theory.
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Spewing falsehoods, inciting hate against groups of people and clinging to a story that has been disproven for years is no worthwhile contribution. They have not contributed anything to either revealing the wrongdoing or solving anything about the case. If anything they have voted into power the most active suppressant to either of those two and it does not seem too far fetched that this is a closed feedback loop, i.e. the original “Q” falsehoods came from that very circle that is now both accused and in power or blackmailing those in power.
This is probably your best point. The more of these unhinged and wrong theories there are, the less likely I’m going to have a grain of belief the next time I’m going to hear something like it. It only hurts the truth. Nothing else.
the establishment dems were more than willing to let all this stay hidden, under 2 terms of obama and 1 with biden. giving maxwell and epstein cushy pleadeals in return for not turning on anyonw else. so clearly voting in trump a 2nd time was the right move, far as actually bringing this stuff to light.
Courts determine criminal liability withing the justice system. They do not determine truth itself. When properly designed and used, the legal system should trend towards truth, but actual truth is a separate thing entirely. The unifying aspect of conspiracy theorists is completely naive epistemology. You guys are actually doing epistemology but you just refuse to actually look at the thousands of years of work that’s been done in the field across civilizations all over the world.